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Greetings all! I did a web search but I do not trust anyone but the experts (you). Some web results said the Michelin's are so close to balanced that Michelin does not put an alignment mark their tires.

Another website site said the bar code in the bead area is the light spot. Anyway I lined up the bar code on the valve stem and the tire seems really heavy there, even with the old weights on. The factory weights are opposite the stem and I may be 1/4 oz out. I guess I should have checked the balance of the wheel without the tire - lol, I wasn't that smart after I got the tire off.

Anyone have anything constructive to add about this topic?
 

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I've heard some manufaturers don't have spots, but I do believe the spots are added after the tire is manufactured, to ge a true light or heavy spot. I don't think a bar code molded into the tire is going to do it.
 

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And you are removing ALL the old weights before you try to balance the new tire, right? Cause it sounds to me you left them on.
 

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And you are removing ALL the old weights before you try to balance the new tire, right? Cause it sounds to me you left them on.
I did leave the old weight on. I just bought a bunch from ebay and I figured I would just supplement the existing weight.

Why whats wrong with supplementing the weight if it appears the weight is in the correct space but it is light?
 

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The old weight is to balance the old tire/wheel combo. With a new tire, you have a new light/heavy spot. The old weights will distort things, and have you adding more weights than neccesary. Course, you could strip off all the weight and use dynabeads or airsoft pellets.

If Michelins have a light spot, it'll be red dot.
 

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The old weight is to balance the old tire/wheel combo. With a new tire, you have a new light/heavy spot. The old weights will distort things, and have you adding more weights than neccesary. Course, you could strip off all the weight and use dynabeads or airsoft pellets.
I use airsoft pellets in my Jeep. Not sure they would work great in a street bike.
 

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I may try that in my car. What is the ratio to size?
I bought the biggest box of high-density pellets I could find at Wal-Mart. Then I divided them by 5, by weight. Then installed in 4 tires and spare. In other words, I have no idea. But there is a lot of info on the web about it. I'm guessing I have somewhere around 5 or 6 ounces in 31x10.50-15's. But it's really just a guess.
 

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Just get the tyre balanced properly. But you should remove the pulley to do so. It's a real pain in the rear to get it right with that big piece hanging there.
 

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Just get the tyre balanced properly. But you should remove the pulley to do so. It's a real pain in the rear to get it right with that big piece hanging there.
Is it such a pain because the pulley is not balanced? If so, I would balance with the pulley on.
 

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I have two kits of Dina-Beads that were not used from my first VTX change out and I can use them in the XR but I am concerned with warranty issues. Dunlops are voided.

I called the MM and the motorcycle division is closed for training; what? Anyway, the owners manual for the M-tires does not identify Balancing Beads. http://www.michelinmotorcycle.com/pubs/fitment2012.pdf

This is what it says:

"MICHELIN DOES

NOT RECOMMEND THE USE OF LIQUID BALANCE

FLUIDS OR SEALANTS. TIRES AND TUBES INTO WHICH

THESE HAVE BEEN INJECTED WILL NOT BE COVERED UNDER

WARRANTY.


 

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Is it such a pain becasue the pulley is not balanced? If so, I would balance with the pulley on.
Mostly because the balancing machine's axle is only fixed at one side, and that pulley can make it wobble. Turning the wheel around wasn't an option because the clamps were then touching the pulley instead of the tyre.
With that pulley installed, we needed to keep adding 5gr weights everywhere.
 

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I'm going to balance it on a horizontal axle shaft with the sprocket on it. Next time I'll check the balance of the wheel without the tire.
 

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I guess that the old fashioned way of balancing a wheel might be the best for those big pulleys and brake discs.

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edit: pic too big, site crashing, ...
 

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The inner diameter of the sprocket should permit it to be installed on a bubble balancer to check it and maybe correct it. For all I know it is the sprocket that is out. BUT, many people I speak with say they don't even bother with balancing and cannot even notice if the tire is out. My buddy who lent me the spoons said his '86 (I think) Sporty will vibrate your fillings loose at idle or a cruising speed so why would he waste his money on balancing, lol.
 

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I use airsoft pellets in my Jeep. Not sure they would work great in a street bike.
Speaking of which (Note: Off Topic Alert!), I was spinning my rear wheel the other day while it was up on jack stands, and I heard what sounded like little pebbles inside the tire rolling to the bottom as the tire spins. Anyone have a clue what this would be? Maybe some internal tits wear away, then roll and bounce around for the life of the tire. I don't know, and I'm not going to pull my tire off just to satisfy my curiosity.
 

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I think it is small bits of powder, dust and trash that eventually forms into those beads. I've seen that stuff before but didn't pay it any mind.
 

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Speaking of which (Note: Off Topic Alert!), I was spinning my rear wheel the other day while it was up on jack stands, and I heard what sounded like little pebbles inside the tire rolling to the bottom as the tire spins. Anyone have a clue what this would be? Maybe some internal tits wear away, then roll and bounce around for the life of the tire. I don't know, and I'm not going to pull my tire off just to satisfy my curiosity.
You should hear when I roll to a stop in the Jeep and several pounds of bb's start falling to the bottom of the tire. People in cars look at me strange.
 
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