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ECM issue because of TTS MasterTune

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I've got an ECM at the house that I flashed with a TTS MasterTune programmer to use Dris' Torque Hammer canned map.

Before I did that, I took the recommended steps and downloaded the original file to my computer's hard drive.

Later, I went with a pipe other than the Torque Hammer, so I pulled that ECM off and put the T-Max back on (because there was no one here to tune with TTS).

Anyway, a year or so goes by, and I'm playing with this Linux boot disk on my computer to see how it behaves. It installed itself into a virtual hard drive in memory to run, then said it needed to update a few of the drivers. I let it do it's thing, then it says it needs to reboot. I let it reboot, and the prompt tells me it needs to format the sector that it is running on. I figured, "What the heck! It's running in virtual memory anyway." Nope. Hard drive was instantly wiped clean of Windows and I'm left with an OS that is just about useless.

So, long story short, I have an ECM that is programmed with TTS, and I do not have an original XR file to put back on it.

Now, when I had the dealership try to dyno tune my XR last year, they needed an ECM that the SEPST could write to. It could not write to the original ECM. So, I had to buy another, and they still did a crappy tune.

Now I have 2 ECMs.

One is locked to the TTS module and has no XR file.

The other is matted to the SEPST and uses the XR file.

I found a local guy who seems to be a good tuner with Power Commander V running Dynojet 250i machine.

I am going to pull the T-Max off this weekend and install one of the ECMs.

Q. Which ECM should I install?

Does the Power Commander V need the stock XR file in order to Read/Write to it like the SEPST does?

I'd like to get this all hashed out before it is time to install the stock ECM (whether that be the original stock ECM or the other stock ECM).

Thanks for the help!
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Lol fck thats confusing.. Did you say you like burning money?
I would do this, call Dyno Jet and ask them

Toll Free: 800-992-4993 (USA only)
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Lol fck thats confusing.. Did you say you like burning money?
No, that's my way of saying I've been trying to get this engine tuned.
So, are others able to get to the Power Commander website?

www.powercommander.com/

I'm trying to access it here, but I keep getting redirected to a page that shows, "OpenDNS has blocked www.powercommander.com due to a security threat that was discovered by the Umbrella Labs."
None of them! Buy a new ECM and get Don to send you a PTF!

Your problem isn't the hardware, it's not sticking with one system to let it work. You now have FOUR top of the line tuning options, and still arent satisfied. I'd chalk it off to unreal expectations and lack of follow through.....
I can sense your frustration, and I agree that your bike should be making more power. I'm still not convinced that the combination of parts is right to work together. I would talk to the folks that did your heads and make sure that the cams, compression, and timing are really working together - I suspect they are not. Then I would do what ever it takes to find a guy who can tune the damn thing, instead of worrying that he is 4 hours away and the time and cost to get there - you have already spent more than that on Not getting the job done, sometimes you have to bite the bullet. And what pipe are you currently running?

as for Dyno Jet, I just tried the link I supplied above and it works fine. As did the one that you posted ......
P, the one system I have stuck with is the Zipper's Kit: RedShift 575 cams, their CNC head work, their 818 map, and their tuner. The only thing I currently have different on my setup than what they offer in their kit is that I have the Bassani exhaust instead of the D&D exhaust that they recommend.

All that is getting me is 87 HP. The stock XRs in the V&H race series do better than that with nothing but pipes a decent tune.

My XR does not run like crap, by any means, but it is certainly running below expectations. I just want it to run like it should and be done with it.
P, the one system I have stuck with is the Zipper's Kit: RedShift 575 cams, their CNC head work, their 818 map, and their tuner. The only thing I currently have different on my setup than what they offer in their kit is that I have the Bassani exhaust instead of the D&D exhaust that they recommend.

All that is getting me is 87 HP. The stock XRs in the V&H race series do better than that with nothing but pipes a decent tune.

My XR does not run like crap, by any means, but it is certainly running below expectations. I just want it to run like it should and be done with it.

Joe, this is irrational. Stop! Put down the tools and step back. Take a deep breath, in through the nose...deeper....deeper.....now hold it.....okay, exhale slowly through your mouth.. Repeat two more times. Feel better? Good! Namaste. :yinyang:


You are getting hung up on the dyno print out...Dude, that means nothing...it's just lines on paper... Fuhgedaboudit!

You have no overheating issues...your bike is running clean and responsive....I see you are getting over 41 miles to a gallon...you are making nearly 90 HP.... A lot of people on here would love to have that problem.

You are like the Scarecrow in the Wizard of Oz.....just wanted that piece of paper ..... Remember, Oz never gave nothing to the tin man... Or the Scarecrow :)

Joe, i dont know how the build responds with the Bassani pipe, but like Don said, a lot has to do with matching parts properly. I tried several pipes, and some did nothing for your build. Zippers recommended a pipe choice because they knew what worked well with the engine combo. You may have chosen a pretty pipe, but not necessarily a power producer with that build.

And, I dont remember you sticking with the TMax for any length of time. It seems you were trying AFR and timing changes before autotune had a chance to dial in the original map.

I only know I did much better with a different exhaust and by giving the TMax more time between setting changes.

And, proper tuning with the TTS or SEPST would give you similar results. And a good tuner who can tune with SEPST, would have no problem with TTS. A poor tuning shop won't get you results no matter what they use.

Changing to a PCV is not a guarantee for more power, just more money spent on your paper chase.
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Joe, this is irrational. Stop! Put down the tools and step back. Take a deep breath, in through the nose...deeper....deeper.....now hold it.....okay, exhale slowly through your mouth.. Repeat two more times. Feel better? Good! Namaste. :yinyang:


You are getting hung up on the dyno print out...Dude, that means nothing...it's just lines on paper... Fuhgedaboudit!

You have no overheating issues...your bike is running clean and responsive....I see you are getting over 41 miles to a gallon...you are making nearly 90 HP.... A lot of people on here would love to have that problem.
On one hand I agree with the Goo Man, as Hilary would say, "does it really matter?"

And on the other hand, there is the old every Dyno reads different, and certainly I've been known to pitch that line once or twice. But I think his have all been on the wonderfully optimistic DynoJet dyno's, so that isn't likely the case

Now on the third hand, I'd be pretty pissed off if I spent that much squash on heads, cams and multiple tuning devices etc. and was still making no better power than say Streettrackers stock motor with the mighty Anvil pipe and a lowly PTF tuner (That bike made right at 86 when corrected to DynoJet correction factor, with a big fat torque curve)

Of course on the last hand, continuing to throw parts and money at it without first figuring out why it seems to be a bit of a slug is entirely foolish.

But my other hand says it should be making mid 90's minimum and more like a 100 if the guy on the tuning end really knows his Chit

And one last hand, Phaed makes a good point about the Basanni, I don't think we really have any good power info on this pipe still to date.
I'm out of hands now
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On one hand I agree with ...
It's a good thing OctoDon has so many hands! :)
Joe, this is irrational. Stop!
..... Remember, Oz never gave nothing to the tin man...
that he didn't already have!

Man, that Magoo is really the all wizened and knowing!
:)
And Cause never was the reason for the evening
Or the tropic of Sir Galahad
LOL - this thread is getting comical, but I still don't know which ECM should go back onto the XR for the Power Commander V.

And, I dont remember you sticking with the TMax for any length of time. It seems you were trying AFR and timing changes before autotune had a chance to dial in the original map.
Aside from that week that I tried the SEPST, the T-Max has been the only tuning device on the bike since getting the Zipper's kit. I have put maybe 8000 miles on the bike since then, running auto tune about every month or two - because that's all I know how to do.

And, proper tuning with the TTS or SEPST would give you similar results. And a good tuner who can tune with SEPST, would have no problem with TTS. A poor tuning shop won't get you results no matter what they use.
I can't find anyone that knows Harley engines that tunes with the TTS.

The only place that I know of that tunes with the SEPST is my local dealership. When the local dealership's tuning guy started wheeling the XR into the dyno room, I held out my papers with all of the timing tables on it from the T-max (that was before you had told me that the two timing tables were not related). He asked, "What's that for?" I told him because I had different cams and heads, and it would give him a base to start from. He said he was going to use the map that H-D had and gave me a dumb look when I asked how long it would take him to adjust that map for timing.

Looking at this crappy dyno result, he didn't touch the timing.



I tried getting the SEPST to work for a few days in one of those threads that Magoo had going (back when you first started posting again), then gave up and put the T-Max back on.

ST said:
Now on the third hand, I'd be pretty pissed off if I spent that much squash on heads, cams and multiple tuning devices etc. and was still making no better power than say Streettrackers stock motor with the mighty Anvil pipe and a lowly PTF tuner (That bike made right at 86 when corrected to DynoJet correction factor, with a big fat torque curve)
You, sir, have a lot of hands, but that's the hand I am concerned with at the moment.

I don't really have much left that I want done to the bike except have it running tip top.

Tip Top Running Condition is what I'm looking for right now, and I've got tunnel vision.

Does anyone have an email address of someone I can contact at Power Commander? I would contact them myself using their forum, but our servers over here obviously think there is some sort of virus on their website, so I can't get to it.

I think I should ask them if they need the original XR file for their product to work (like the SEPST needs).
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Does anyone have an email address of someone I can contact at Power Commander? I would contact them myself using their forum, but our servers over here obviously think there is some sort of virus on their website, so I can't get to it.

I think I should ask them if they need the original XR file for their product to work (like the SEPST needs).
Off Hand, no I don't have an email, but you can CALL THEM Toll Free: 800-992-4993 (USA only)
Joe, sorry you're having agita dealing with all these issues, I commend you for wanting to get your bike in Tip Top running condition.
I don't know which ECM you should install, but I can offer you a copy of my original tune, if you need it.
it ends in .pvt, which I think means power vision tune, and I don't know if it would be compatible with the Power Commander V, even though both tuners are made by the same company.
good luck in your quest for a better outcome.
Hang on now....

Don't we all want the same things here? First, we all want me to inherit a private island just offshore of Cabo and discover the Fountain of Youth and, second, we all want Joe to be satisfied........But mainly we want that first thing.... :)

Joe, your problems may run deeper than just a tune. Didn't the build itself have some issues and second trips to the builders? There is just no telling whats going on here.

You need a tuner who believes in Gestalt theory :yinyang:..... Someone who will look at the bike as a whole and maximize that synergy created by the performance investments you've made..... A tuner who understands how everything - the cams, the heads, the tuner, the pipes - all work in harmony :yinyang: to make that baby sing :)

You know, chain, weakest link, yada,yada,yada.... :)
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LOL - this thread is getting comical, but I still don't know which ECM should go back onto the XR for the Power Commander V.



Aside from that week that I tried the SEPST, the T-Max has been the only tuning device on the bike since getting the Zipper's kit. I have put maybe 8000 miles on the bike since then, running auto tune about every month or two - because that's all I know how to do.



I can't find anyone that knows Harley engines that tunes with the TTS.

The only place that I know of that tunes with the SEPST is my local dealership. When the local dealership's tuning guy started wheeling the XR into the dyno room, I held out my papers with all of the timing tables on it from the T-max (that was before you had told me that the two timing tables were not related). He asked, "What's that for?" I told him because I had different cams and heads, and it would give him a base to start from. He said he was going to use the map that H-D had and gave me a dumb look when I asked how long it would take him to adjust that map for timing.

Looking at this crappy dyno result, he didn't touch the timing.



I tried getting the SEPST to work for a few days in one of those threads that Magoo had going (back when you first started posting again), then gave up and put the T-Max back on.



You, sir, have a lot of hands, but that's the hand I am concerned with at the moment.

I don't really have much left that I want done to the bike except have it running tip top.

Tip Top Running Condition is what I'm looking for right now, and I've got tunnel vision.

Does anyone have an email address of someone I can contact at Power Commander? I would contact them myself using their forum, but our servers over here obviously think there is some sort of virus on their website, so I can't get to it.

I think I should ask them if they need the original XR file for their product to work (like the SEPST needs).
Joe,
in the vein of what Magoo just said, what do you really have going on here with your build?

Not to mention, what is going on with your tune in this dyno run? What build, pipe, and tune are on the bike here? This looks like SEPST last November - which does not translate to running the TMax for an extended time with your build and the Bassani. Not to mention, even thought the AFR is not perfect on the dyno run with this tune, it still looks good enough to net at least 80 HP with your build - but it is awful low.

Something more than a tune is going on with your bike, but you have so many changes going on at once, that it is hard to tell where you really stand.
Along those lines, I really think If I had one wish, it would be for all the children of the world to join hands and sing together in the spirit of harmony and peace.

If I had two wishes that I could wish, the first would be for all the children of the world to join hands and sing in the spirit of harmony and peace.. and the second would be for $30 million a month to be given to me, tax-free in a Swiss bank account.

You know, if I had three wishes, first, of course, would be for all the children to get together and sing.. the second would be for the $30 million every month to me.. and the third would be for all encompassing power over every living being thing in the entire universe.

And if I had four wishes, first would be the crap about the kids.. second would be for the $30 million.. the third would be for all the power.. and the fourth would be to set aside one month each year for an extended 31-day orgasm, to be brought about slowly by Heidi Klum and that model Paulina somebody, I can't think of her name, of course the Blonde could come, too. She's behind me 100% on this, I guarantee you.

Wait a minute, maybe that sex thing should be the first wish! So, if I made that the first wish, because, you know, it could all go boom tomorrow, and then what have you got? No, no.. the kids singing would be great, that would be nice. No, no, who am I kidding! I mean, they're not gonna be able to get all those kids together! I mean, the logistics of the thing is impossible! It's more trouble than it's worth! So, we reorganize: here we go. First, the sex - we go with that; second, the money. No! We go with the power second, then the money, and then the kids. Oh, wait, oh geez! I forgot about revenge against my enemies! Okay.. revenge against all my enemies, they should die like pigs in Hell! That would be the fourth wish! And of course, my fifth wish would be for all the children of the world to join hands and sing in the spirit of peace and harmony. Thank you, everybody. Oh, and then for Joe's bike to make 100 HP and I guess Magoo can have his little island at that point, I'll pay for it out of the 30 million.
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